CAMBERWELL GROVE

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CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby Sean.Byrne » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:51 pm

Today the Grove is an elegant oddity – a broad, leafy street of fine Georgian houses set in the seething inner city. Through its long history the Grove has come full circle from middle class prosperity; to tight knit working class community and back to middle class affluence again.

In the mid-1770s, when Camberwell was still a rural village, the dilapidated manor house was demolished and the surrounding land subdivided and sold. The first four houses, still standing today (numbered 79–85), were built by speculators at the northern end as a terrace shortly afterwards. They are jointly Grade II listed. Numbers 33–45 also date from this period.

In the 19th century John Lettsom, a doctor, had a villa built at the southern end which was demolished when the estate was broken up in the early 1800s, but one of its cottages, 'The Hermitage' (number 220) survives, at the junction with Grove Hill Road. A side-street, Lettsom Street, and nearby housing estate are named in his honour. The cottage is also Grade II listed. A number of other buildings on the street, including Grove Chapel (built 1819, by David R Roper) and the Georgian crescent terrace of eight houses forming Grove Crescent, are also listed.

The South London and East London railway lines, built by the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway in the 1860s and now operated by Southeastern and London Overground, pass below the street (in a tunnel to the west and cutting to the east), just east of Denmark Hill station.

In 2012, the street was the subject of an episode of the BBC series The Secret History of Our Streets, based on the work of Victorian social researcher Charles Booth. Booth assessed the social class of the residents in the street in 1889. The northern end was categorised as middle class "fairly comfortable" and "well-to-do", with parts of the southern end categorised as upper class "wealthy". However, on returning to the street ten years later the social class of residents was recorded as "declining".

Some of the houses on the grove were damaged by bombing in World War II, and subsequently demolished. The site is now occupied by the flats numbered 100–138. In the 1960s, a proposal to build an elevated motorway across the grove, above the railway, in the style of the Westway, was opposed and eventually overturned

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Dr Letsomm's home 1795
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Camberwell Grove 1890
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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby Sean.Byrne » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:12 pm

Sir Joseph Chamberlain was a British statesman who was first a radical Liberal, then, after opposing home rule for Ireland, a Liberal Unionist, and eventually served as a leading imperialist in coalition with the Conservatives. He split both major British parties in the course of his career. This plaque at 188 Camberwell Grove commemorates his birthplace. (Not to be confused with Neville "peace in our time") Joseph was the father of Neville.

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94 Camberwell Grove was derelict in 1946

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Grove House Tavern at No. 26
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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby Sean.Byrne » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:21 pm

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87 Camberwell Grove 1945

If you look at the difference in the two pics 0f number 94 you can see from 1942 to 1945 there has been some damage, perhaps WW2 bombing?
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94 Camberwell Grove 1942
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94 Camberwell Grove 1945
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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby Sean.Byrne » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:34 pm

Anyone know the car type?
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Camberwell Grove east side 1952
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3-5 Camberwell Grove 1970

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11-13 Camberwell Grove 1970

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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby Sean.Byrne » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:45 pm

Today Camberwell Grove is closed to through traffic so it makes for a nice safe neighborhood and ideal for cyclists

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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby kiwi » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:16 am

The Plough would have been situated roughly where the Butterfly Tennis Club Courts are on the left, 2019. Mary Boast Lane (left) leading to Grove Lane.
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Camberwell Grove.The Plough Public House,c1929.
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Camberwell Grove, Grove House Public House 2019.

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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby Sean.Byrne » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:58 pm

Elizabeth "Betsy" Patterson Bonaparte (February 6, 1785 – April 4, 1879) was an American socialite. She was the daughter of a Baltimore merchant, and the first wife of Jérôme Bonaparte, Napoleon's youngest brother. She gave birth to a son, Jérôme Napoleon Bonaparte (1805–1870), on July 5, 1805 at 95 Camberwell Grove in Camberwell, London. The image of 95 Camberwell Grove is doubtless not the same building.
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Current building at 95 Camberwell Grove
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Elizabeth "Betsy" Patterson Bonaparte

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The brother in law
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Jerome the husband
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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby Sean.Byrne » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:53 pm

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Camberwell Grove 1795 approx.

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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby kiwi » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:13 am

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13 Camberwell Grove,c1956.
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23-35 Camberwell Grove.

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Re: CAMBERWELL GROVE

Postby Sean.Byrne » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:49 am

Mary Datchelor School was founded out of an endowment originally intended for the upkeep of the 18th-century Datchelor family's family tomb. A board of trustees was established in 1871, with £20,000 to found a girls' school. The school opened in 1877 with thirty girls, and had grown to over 400 by 1900. The first headmistress was Caroline Rigg (1852-1929), who remained in the job for four decades, until 1917.

It was originally built on two houses at 15 and 17 Grove Lane, the location of a former manor house and is now located on Camberwell Grove

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